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Our competition
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Our competition, which includes two other wiki's. The community sides in the community portal does work with the same goal. We work to collect all information Futurama, in an objective unbiased (except for the fact that we love the show, so I guess we are biased). But yet, we are the fifth result on Google when searching for futurama wiki. In fact, the best competition we have is Wikipedia, which I am afraid is doing some better jobs on some issues. Also because they have all the delicious extensions. Yum yum. My point is... it has been awfully quiet lately, and also by the spambots. Either we did something efficient, or they are taking a break. But it seems only the regular editors are the one who views this wiki. So uh, we need to spread the word more efficiently.
Also, I'd like permission to edit CSS and Javascript/HTML, please. (you knew this was coming) --SvipTalk 13:52, 14 July 2007 (PDT)
- Also, if I may add, this wiki does not appear to have an article on The Matt Groening Community Wiki. --SvipTalk 14:03, 14 July 2007 (PDT)
- I just searched for Futurama wiki on google and now were 4th yeh, not much improvement but still - Humorbot 0.4 13:54, 25 November 2007 (PST)
Wikia's Futurama wiki
I recently thought only Wikipedia was our enemy, but apparently Wikia's Futurama wiki has been revived. However, while it is obvious that we still have a lot more information (since it appears by the recent changes article that only a single person is making their pages). I am still wondering why they are even bothering. I mean, Wikia might as well go and buy our wiki. However, I have noticed that they don't link to us any more. --SvipTalk 09:53, 7 January 2008 (PST)
- Proberbly because if anyone follows the link they'll go wiat a second.... this wiki is much better - Humorbot 0.4 14:21, 7 January 2008 (PST)
- Just an update, this wiki is the third result in Google! Samanathon 22:17, 9 January 2008 (PST)
- If you search for Futurama alone on Google, we appear on page 3, and I cannot even seen the Wikia wiki by page 12. I say quite good given there are over 13 million results for Futurama on Google. Hah. Remember, Google does not base its relevance on links by its titles, but rather by what other sites links to it as. --SvipTalk 16:19, 25 January 2008 (PST)
- There are tricks to getting a website higher up on Google's results the interlinking within this wiki could be enough to boost our position, it's what helps other wikis. If there's a wiki for a topic it's almost always on the first few results. The more often we link to Futurama rather than just typing it the better (though adding "Futurama" to articles needlessly is a bad idea). Also, duplicating the Futurama page to Futurama/Futurama and linking between them would help too. That worked for Charlie Todd. - Quolnok 18:26, 25 January 2008 (PST)
- If you search for Futurama alone on Google, we appear on page 3, and I cannot even seen the Wikia wiki by page 12. I say quite good given there are over 13 million results for Futurama on Google. Hah. Remember, Google does not base its relevance on links by its titles, but rather by what other sites links to it as. --SvipTalk 16:19, 25 January 2008 (PST)
- I've looked at one of the other wikis and it was really hard to navigate - Fryandgarfield
- Well, we did focus a lot on the navigation lately. We wanted it to become as easy as possible. We admit though that our system isn't perfect, and still be improved. Any suggestions are more than welcome. I have been considering making an Infosphere:Navigation page describing how to use the navigation plus more. --SvipTalk 10:57, 10 March 2008 (PDT)
- Just an update, this wiki is the third result in Google! Samanathon 22:17, 9 January 2008 (PST)
Merchandise
Hey, I was thinking we should maybe include info on Futurama merchandise as well as the fiction? Some suggestions:
- Sections on action figures, statues and other toys and such in character articles
- Similar sections on merchandise in articles on objects, products or animals, like sections on merch incarnations of the PE ship, Slurm or Brain slugs.
- Articles on certain lines of toys or merchandise like shirts/clothing, the retro tin wind-ups, games etc.
I got this idea from the Transformers wikia, which obviously is much more closely connected with toys than Futurama, but still thought it might be a good idea. Thoughts? SwitChar 07:35, 21 October 2007 (PDT)
- I don't know about having it in the articles. They're filled with extraneous info as it is, and any more may burst them! But it really depends on how in-depth the info is, I guess. If it's just a quick "There's a toy of this thing" and a screenshot, that could easily be added... But if it's a detailed description and examination and critical review and notes on all points of articulation, then they probably need their own article (or an article for all merch, each thing with its own section). --Buddy 13:23, 21 October 2007 (PDT)
- Actually many articles Don't have extraneous info, only a select few do. There actually needs to be more with extraneous info. At least, if you want the informational purpose of the wiki to be fulfilled.Anarchy Balsac 18:47, 4 January 2008 (PST)
- I agree, for the most part, but anything notable enough to have a toy made of it is likely to be something that has tons of info in the article about it. But yes, many things should be expanded. --Buddy 18:26, 3 February 2008 (PST)
i agree i think we should have an article for all that stuff dr zoidberg 14
I think it would be agood idea because where I live you cant get the figures and i want to know about them. I would be happy to give descriptions on some of the figurines. Fryandgarfield.
- I can provide photos of my own action figures and one bobble head, but we can also provide a direct link to the relevant page of the company who made them. Sadly, you cannot order online. Which is dumb. Why have a web presence if it's essentially useless? --Buddy 16:07, 15 March 2008 (PDT)
- There are other sites you can buy from. It's a shame Collectorama seems to have disappeared, they were all about merch. The CGEF Merch page still has lots of the old stuff covered, which will help. - Quolnok 17:02, 15 March 2008 (PDT)
The Films
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Let's talk about the films. So far, we are getting a release soon of the first one. However, I hate to admit, but yes, it is already leaked and wild on the Internet. While I do not endorse it, I could simply not wait. So yes, I have watched it. While I will reveal as little of the plot as possible before the film is released. I can tell the following "hard data":
The production code for the film is not XACV01, it is 5ACV01, 5ACV02, 5ACV03, 5ACV04, clearly making the production code for the four episodes it is supposed to be cut into.
Yes, the film has a title caption. And most appropriately it is "It just won't stay dead!", which I suggest as a quote on the front page. That is all for now.
P.S. Don't think I am not getting a real copy of the film, I have already preordered it, so there. I am a honest guy, just a very impatient honest guy. --SvipTalk 02:57, 20 November 2007 (PST)
- That production code does make more sense. I'm holding out for the release date, the Xth of Y, 200Z. - Quolnok 05:16, 20 November 2007 (PST)
where can you watch it (i also preorderd it so dont think im not doing my part) p.s send me an email if you dont want any one else to know at [email protected] dr zoidberg 14
- I have already reserved my copy on Amazon. I see no reason not to post advanced details on the Bender's Big Score page--as long as a spoiler alert is included for people like me who are waiting for the movie to arrive in a mailbox near me. Almost every other show-centric wiki posts advance info on upcoming episodes, and I see this as being no different. But I won't read it until after I watch my copy of the movie. And I won't seek out the internet version. Also, while I was on Amazon, I ordered the 2008 calendar. Hooray Futurama. --Buddy 14:04, 22 November 2007 (PST)
- Well, I understand your reason, and respect them. Obviously, otherwise you probably ban me or something. But since you say so, I shall write the plot outline. However, when you have watched it, there are many discussions to be had. --SvipTalk 16:17, 22 November 2007 (PST)
- I will never ban for watching pirated material. HOwever, this is not the place to discuss how to attain illegal material (pirated Futurama or otherwise). That would be a bannable offense. Not because I have a moral objection to it (you should see my music collection), but because the site could get in real legal trouble and get shut down if stuff like that started going on here. --Buddy 16:21, 22 November 2007 (PST)
- Well, I understand your reason, and respect them. Obviously, otherwise you probably ban me or something. But since you say so, I shall write the plot outline. However, when you have watched it, there are many discussions to be had. --SvipTalk 16:17, 22 November 2007 (PST)
sory dr zoidberg 14
how are they going to make it into eps any way will they take an act and make into one ep will they have diferent pepoles difrent perspectives or what dr zoidberg 14
- We simply do not know. They may even add some scenes not seen in the films. Our best bet is to sit back and wait. --SvipTalk 09:57, 23 November 2007 (PST)
- *Pleased but sticky* Someone put it on a website stream, there's this program I use to meander about the internet and it somewhat randomly got foisted on me. I tried to hold out (indefinitely, I might add) for the release (for a day or so after finding it), but, well, I couldn't resist. I saw it, I will still eventually buy it as soon as it comes out, whenever that is. Also, it's very hot here. - Quolnok 22:17, 27 November 2007 (PST)
- Sounds a lot like StumbleUpon, which is exactly how I found it. Stumbling blindly around the internet is fun. --Buddy 13:39, 2 December 2007 (PST)
- *Pleased but sticky* Someone put it on a website stream, there's this program I use to meander about the internet and it somewhat randomly got foisted on me. I tried to hold out (indefinitely, I might add) for the release (for a day or so after finding it), but, well, I couldn't resist. I saw it, I will still eventually buy it as soon as it comes out, whenever that is. Also, it's very hot here. - Quolnok 22:17, 27 November 2007 (PST)
Not big new for everyone else but now I've seen it - Humorbot 0.4 13:13, 30 November 2007 (PST)
- As have I, now that it arrived! Commentaries, special features, scripts... awesome! --Buddy 13:39, 2 December 2007 (PST)
on wikepidea and imdb it says the beast with a billion backs is coming out march 18th and theres also a link to tvbloger but i dont have an acount so i dont know if its relible if any one has any info let me know dr zoidberg 14
- I have for the sake of our viewers added the date as a rumour. Since we cannot access this blog and get confirmation. We must remain like this. But as far as I can tell from the URL, the blog was posted back in September, 2007. And I am not sure we had any sort of information about this film's release back then. --SvipTalk 15:23, 25 January 2008 (PST)
Why was the beast with a million eyes reference removed? It seems plausible this could be a double reference.Anarchy Balsac 17:17, 26 January 2008 (PST)
Background Jokes
I was thinking, both the simpsons and Futurama are known for their background jokes. Should there be a list for the background jokes on every episode? I think if we're to be a collective hub of Futurama info it would be important to do so.Anarchy Balsac 18:35, 7 January 2008 (PST)
do you mean a master list or for each episode dr zoidberg 14
Yeah, something like a trivia list except it says "background jokes" as its title.Anarchy Balsac 07:01, 11 January 2008 (PST)
great idea i say yes dr zoidberg 14
- Would they need time-indices? --Buddy 18:36, 3 February 2008 (PST)
- Wouldn't hurt, though it would make the task more tedious.Anarchy Balsac 21:21, 15 February 2008 (PST)
Reopen IP edits
We have been running on required registration for a while now, and while it appears to be working just fine, I still feel it would be better if we allowed unregistered people to edit articles. But to avoid spambots we can use one of the following extensions; ConfirmEdit or ReCAPTCHA, I personal suggest the former one. This extension will require users unregistered to enter a CAPTCHA every time they edit. Are you logged in, you are not required to do so. It allows unregistered people to edit small things. E.g. a random bystander who spots an error in article, and just wants to fix it briefly, but has no intention of becoming a full member. Opinions? --SvipTalk 09:23, 12 January 2008 (PST)
- Sounds good I think its been long enough and the CAPTCHA isea is great - Humorbot 0.4 12:52, 12 January 2008 (PST)
- Certainly worth trying it. - Quolnok 18:55, 12 January 2008 (PST)
People who want to seriously contribute will have no trouble signing up. If you aren't too lazy to put in major contributions, you shouldn't be too lazy to sign up. Given how easy it is to DOS wikis, keeping the spam out by preventing the unregistered people from editing is a great idea.Anarchy Balsac 04:42, 13 January 2008 (PST)
- While I somewhat agree with your statement, I also somewhat disagree. The problem is that a lot of viewers who come here for the purpose of the wiki (delivering information to the public) can at times spot errors in the things we have written and perhaps think that they could just fix that for us (as a gesture), but not for the idea of being a complete member. But (some of) these people aren't really gonna do that when they are blocked by the "registration required" page. Which means we can have a good deal of typos left in the wild. I still think we should try it. If it is a failure, then we will close it again. --SvipTalk 06:19, 13 January 2008 (PST)
- Both good arguments, and I cannot decide. And so...
On the matter of re-opening the editing:
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If "Accept" wins, I'll install that extension as a precaution. And, as was stated, if it works, we can always change it back. --Buddy 18:39, 3 February 2008 (PST) Looks like "accept" wins. So we'll be re-opening open editing. But I'm in the mood for a break from the technical side of this site for a while, so unless Svip wants to do it (I think he can do it now), it'll be a few weeks. --Buddy 13:28, 4 March 2008 (PST) IP Edits Open!... and closedI have now installed the ReCAPTCHA extension. And now non-logged in users can edit. The CAPTCHA are trigged on the following situations:
We will keep it like this for a month, if it goes wrong again, it will be removed. I have kept the old settings in LocalSettings.php, just commented out. --SvipTalk 07:46, 7 March 2008 (PST)
Interwiki link!I have a week suggested to add infosphere: in the general Interwiki map, this means that on wikis like Wikipedia, writing [[infosphere:Main Page]] will link them here. You can read the discussion here; [1]. While there is no decision yet, the user Lar says that if no one objects, it will be included in next round they add interwikis. We can only hope. --SvipTalk 14:12, 16 January 2008 (PST)
Ah, good news, everyone, they have just updated our interwiki link (check out the map and the discussion). I have also done some research, the list on the database is included when new people install MediaWiki, which means that on future created independent Wikis (using the MediaWiki software of course) would have our interwiki link. Not that it means that much for them, but it is fun to consider. Heh. Last database update was 10 February, 2008. But I checked some discussion talking about updating it once a month. --SvipTalk 15:01, 10 March 2008 (PDT) theinfosphere.orgThe following discussion has ended or hasn't been updated for a long time and will thus be archived upon the next archiving schedule.
This discussion have been marked since 10 March, 2008 If you disagree with this conclusion, please remove this template and let the discussion continue. Done! I've registered "theinfosphere.org" as our new address. Don't change your bookmarks just yet, as things have yet to DNS-ify, as well as the fact that I'll need to migrate the site over once that is complete. I'll still mirror things at futurama.overt-ops.com, since there are lots of links out there on the web (in fact, see if you can get them to change the interwiki link thingy for our new address). But yes, the transaction is final and the domain is ours. http://theinfosphere.org hooray.
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This discussion have been marked since 10 March, 2008 If you disagree with this conclusion, please remove this template and let the discussion continue. The total outage was caused by the fact that I attempted to put things back the way they were: I moved the files back to futurama.etcetera and disabled the mirroring. However, after the mirroring was fully disabled, it still didn't load up the files that were there. I was thinking that if I could move everything back, I could start from scratch and actually get some advice from knowledgeable people before doing stupid sh*t like I seem to do. Anyway, I let that sit for around forty-eight hours, and when it didn't fix itself, I moved the files back to theinfosphere.org, which is still working fine. So, all the files are now at this new address, and the mirroring is still disabled (hence the no-workingness of the other url). As for the images, yes. If disabling referring url's clears up the problem, then it obviously really is the whitelist/hotlink block. I have viewed the .htaccess file and can see no references. However, the original hotlink block was set up via dreamhost's panel. But now, when attempting to view the hotlink settings, it says none are set up. So the move retained the settings, but made dreamhost's panel not recognize them anymore somehow. I would be glad to hear any advice you may have on how to solve this problem, as I am apparently very, very dumb. --Buddy 16:14, 21 February 2008 (PST)
Happy AnniversaryI'm a bit late, but as of 20080130, the wiki is two years old. Congrats to all, and may we continue on, ad infinitum. --Buddy 18:31, 3 February 2008 (PST)
what day is today its the infosphers birthday what day for a birthday lets all have some cake dr zoidberg 14 We are back online!The following discussion has ended or hasn't been updated for a long time and will thus be archived upon the next archiving schedule.
This discussion have been marked since 11 March, 2008 If you disagree with this conclusion, please remove this template and let the discussion continue. After a few days of downtime, we are finally back up and running. The images are working, the new domain is working, but the old domain isn't, however, I have informed Buddy on how to fix it. I welcome you all to the new domain. :) --SvipTalk 05:35, 28 February 2008 (PST)
were back baby dr zoidberg 14 And we owe it all to Svip. After being retarded for two or three weeks (surely it wasn't a month? (refuses to check dates)), I just gave svip some good ole FTP access, and he had it fixed in what I can assume was three seconds. Let us all give Svip a round of applause! --Buddy 14:59, 3 March 2008 (PST)
Special:AllmessagesHave some of you have probably noticed, I have deleted a whole lot of pages (154) in recent changes (as of right now (note: This link will take you to the time where the entire log of deleted pages is shown for future references)). These pages are part of Special:Allmessages, which keeps a list of all messages. I noticed that several of them were out of date, and I presumed they must have stayed with the upgrade of the wiki, since they all had the same user as contributor: "MediaWiki default". So I deleted those out of date, those with spelling errors and those that simply looked too much like the default one anyway. But I kept some (you can see that from the list by hitting the "show modified only" button (note: it first appears when the page is fully loaded, it takes a while as it is very big)). Of course, only sysops can edits these messages, but if Buddy feels it would be cool if it said "timeline" rather than "history" on each page, this is where he should go. I am only writing this to inform you why there is this huge amount of deleted pages in the recent changes page right now. --SvipTalk 08:33, 9 March 2008 (PDT) New extensions!I took the liberty of installing some interesting extensions to our wiki. Namely ImageMap and SyntaxHighlight GeSHi. The first provides the possibility to create image maps, where specific parts of an image is clickable, perfect for family tress, etc. The second provides us with syntax highlighting. Both of them comes with two new tags: <source> and <imagemap>. Check out their pages for more information on usage. --SvipTalk 16:06, 10 March 2008 (PDT)
New quote style.As apparent from the discussion above, I added an extension that gives use the <poem>, this is useful for our quotes, so I have written the following template (Template:Q) to create a new system, you can check out the template page on how to use it. Opinions? --SvipTalk 16:59, 10 March 2008 (PDT)
Upgrade completed.As you can see on the Special:Version page, we are now on version 1.11.3. So far it appears the upgrade went without a hitch. However, if you do discover an issue, please report it here. I suggest you do some tests. Now I can activate some of those extensions I wanted to do before. --SvipTalk 17:46, 10 March 2008 (PDT)
Google AnalyticsI was thinking that this wiki have grown up, it is time for getting some analytics about our wiki. I can highly recommend Google Analytics. I have been using for several sites, and it is super easy to set up. All I need is your opinion, and I shall set it up and share the analytics with the SysOps who wish to see them (e-mail me your Google Account (you don't need a gmail account to have a Google Account) and I shall invite you). --SvipTalk 07:37, 11 March 2008 (PDT)
The Infosphere in other languages?While editing the dubbing article (which I personally am very proud of right now), I was thinking about the possibility for having this Wiki in other languages, similar to Wikipedia. Personally, I would love to be able to contribute with a Danish version. And I personally wouldn't mind accessing da.infosphere.org/ ;) But the question really is; is there a need for it? Or are we unable to handle more as it is? --SvipTalk 09:48, 17 March 2008 (PDT)
Standardised date format?I have noticed that around this Wiki we have several versions of writing dates and I was thinking it might be high time for a standardisation on that issue. Personally I prefer the format <date> <month>, <year> (e.g. "17 March, 2008"), most people in the world use it, and it doesn't require you to end the date part in st/nd/rd/th, and it allows people to interpret it the way they like. Mainly because writing it that way is hardly like you pronounce it in English (you do pronounce it this way in most other languages though, English is just weird when it comes to date formats), it will allow people to adopt their own pronunciation of it. I mean people are quite aware what "17 March, 2008" means. Point is, I am just wondering if we should keep the unorganised format of the dates as it is right now or make a standard. --SvipTalk 13:50, 17 March 2008 (PDT)
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