Talk:Decision 3012

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Cannon

Should this episode be considered cannon? Because technically, although it may have actually happened, no one remembers it, and it's extremely unlikely to affect anything after this episode.

Because it is not a comic, The Game, or an Anthology of Interest-esque episode and is part of the regular season, it must be considered cannon.98.198.118.224 05:47, 30 June 2012 (CEST)

I don't think that necessarily has to be true. Just because we haven't found a situation where there might be an exception doesn't mean that there can't be one. 66.32.188.127 16:20, 1 July 2012 (CEST)
This isn't an exception; just because the events of the episode were erased due to paradox correction does not change the fact that they occurred. Even the Anthology of Interest stories, which are clearly non-canonical, contain events which are canon. -- DeepSpaceHomer (talk) 00:07, 2 July 2012 (CEST)
I think that they really didn't occur; in the reality that the next episode takes on, the events of this episode other than Nixon being reelected never happened, which is the exact definition of a non-cannon episode. 66.32.188.127 22:28, 2 July 2012 (CEST)
This is the problem with time travel. In Bender's Big Score, a time duplicate Fry led a long life in the 2000s despite the original traveling back to the 3000s. Is the life of the duplicate Fry cannon? Timeline A would follow Fry (A), Fry (B) becomes a whale biologist on Timeline B, Fry (Γ) remains in the Cryogenic Tube and Timeline Γ merges with Timeline A, and the whole thing gets kinda convoluted. Think of the Time Paradox Benders at the end of BBS.
I think it can be considered cannon if the timelines could be mapped out as linearly as possible. The Travers B timeline ends abruptly at the end of the election, so it actually happened, but the "time" itself stopped suddenly and rapidly merged with the Travers A timeline (in which he is born but has not come back from the future). My head hurts.98.198.118.224 22:45, 3 July 2012 (CEST)
This is a pretty big problem with time travel. Everything is very confusing when there is a paradox. And actually, there were a few paradoxes in BBS, like the question of where the tattoo came from. I'm thinking maybe we should have a section called "cannon" in which we discuss the issue as thoroughly as possible. I also think we should put the label "Disputed Cannon" on this episode, because that does mean that there are different opinions on whether or not it's cannon, not that it's non-cannon. Also, on the article on cannon, we could have a section labeled "Decision 3012" similar to the one on this article.66.32.188.127 17:35, 4 July 2012 (CEST)
I'll second a Disputed Cannon tag on the article, or at least a mention as a note. In fact, something exclusive to paradoxes would be ideal. It can be applied then to BBS, Roswell, this episode, and any other that deals with paradoxes within the universe. Also, I have no idea how to do anything like that.98.198.118.224 13:23, 5 July 2012 (CEST)
I don't know either. Someone with an actual account will have to make the label, since neither of us knows how. But for now, the Disputed Canon label should suffice until a label for paradoxes is created. 66.32.188.127 16:34, 5 July 2012 (CEST)

Robot Uprising

Is the future robot uprising in this episode the same future robot uprising shown in The Late Philip J. Fry? Because it would make a lot of sense.

We could add that, making sure people know it's speculation on our part and not definite. 66.32.188.127 03:40, 29 June 2012 (CEST)
The timing doesn't fit. An astute speculation, but wrong.98.198.118.224 07:07, 21 July 2012 (CEST)

Terminator?

Is really nobody seeing the Terminator Reference in this Episode?

Rise of the machines, sent back in time as time traveling savior, Bender with glasses and gun. Yes. Still, it's more of a revisit of an older theme (Big Score) rather than a new reference. 188.26.54.248 23:58, 5 July 2012 (CEST)

Hoover dam?

In the scene after the protest outside of the Travers presidential headquaters when Leela slams Bender into the wall, Bender's motives are questioned and he says "'cause they won't let me near the Hoover Dam anymore." Anyone have some insight into why? Or, is it another of Bender's lies?98.198.118.224 05:55, 30 June 2012 (CEST)

I would say it has something to do with Las Vegas. It's not difficult to imagine he isn't welcome there.

Oversight?

While recounting his time in the future, the candidate says "I escaped JUST as the robots arrived" but the animation shows he left before Bender kicked down the wall, so he wouldn't have known what was going to happen. Assumingly, the whole Bender monologue is there simply for our benefit, as nobody who was there to see it ever made it back.

Also, since he failed and Nixon got elected, it will all happen as the story was told. If that is the case, where did Travers go? In 20 years, he'll jump into the green energy ball and? I'm guessing that's when the paradox correction kicks in, because Travers wasn't killed when he lost the elections, he got reverted, meaning he never went back, but the future mankind still had the code and wanted him to go. Was he deposited back out? 188.26.54.248 23:58, 5 July 2012 (CEST)

The Benders in BBS exploded. My best guess (speculative) is that a similar reaction took place for Travers. His existence just...stopped.98.198.118.224 07:12, 6 July 2012 (CEST)

Reception

The article states The episode was watched by 1,452 million viewers. I read that number as 1,452,000,000 but I believe the intended number is 1,452,000 viewers. I know in some locales, large integers are written like 1.452.000 as opposed to 1,452,000 but this site seems to generally use the second format. -- the preceding unsigned comment was written by 65.26.236.170.

Changed. Sanfazer: [talk] 02:16, 4 September 2014 (CEST).