Talk:The Late Philip J. Fry

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Continuity Error

"The time machine is really useless, as it has nearly the exact same effect as freezing yourself." The time machine isn't useless at all. If one were freezing itself they would still be in the third dimension thus would have been destroyed by any of those attacks on earth, but being in a machine that puts them into the fourth dimension prevents them from being affected by any of those events.

Ah, I overlooked that. I am sorry.-Not awedfrgt


Paradox Error

when they finally come back and fall and kill the other versions of them, the professor states "pow! we took care of the time travel paradox!".... but there really is no paradox, they only went forward in time still. 72.133.55.59 07:54, 30 July 2010 (CEST)

It is a paradox, but not a paradox in the style of BBS (leading to the duplicate being doomed). Instead it's merely a confusing paradox that would lead to quite a few questions, not to mention a fight over who is "the real one" and who should be killed or whatnot. They solved it by simply killing them off right away, thus ending the paradox. Aki 08:10, 30 July 2010 (CEST)
I guess that makes sense, but by definition, it really wouldn't be a paradox, it would just be confusing. The line was hilarious nonetheless. I'm glad that had a very short conclusion dealing with the duplicates, instead of spending too much of the episode resolving it strangely.
"A paradox is a true statement or group of statements that leads to a contradiction or a situation which defies intuition" according to Wikipedia. "There are two of them but only one was ever born" sounds like a paradox to me. Aki 08:57, 30 July 2010 (CEST)
Technically there wouldn't really be two of them, as the other Fry, Bender, and Professor would have soon jumped forward in time as the others did. In actuality, since they didn't kill them in the 2nd Universe, there would be another set of them already. Polantaris 10:15, 30 July 2010 (CEST)
Yes, but the trio from universe 2 would probably have overshot universe 3. Additionally, this may explain where the Nibblonians came from 17 years before the big bang. - Quolnok 11:24, 30 July 2010 (CEST)
Time was explained to be linearly repeating, so even though each universe was the same, they would still be separate universes. Here's a metaphor.... think of an assembly line of cupcakes with cherries on top, (the cupcakes represent the different universes and the cherries represent bender, phil, and the professor). A normal time paradox would be like this: you go to the end of the assembly line and take the cherry off of cupcake 1, go back in time to some point and put the future cherry on top of cupcake 1 and destroyed the cherry already there. But what happened in this episode would be the equivalent to taking the cherry from cupcake 1 and placing it on top of cupcake 3.24.123.91.70 14:57, 30 July 2010 (CEST)
There is no paradox at hand. Let's assume, that time is linear but repeating and let's numerate the universes from 1 to infinity like my previous speakers already assumed. This implies, that there has to be a universe 1 and a universe 2. Now the following happens: the crew from universe 1 travel forward in time as shown in the episode and end up in universe 3 crushing the crew that was present there and the same happens with universes 2 and 4. Now the cycle changes, because no crew can depart from universes 3 and 4 and thus universes 5 and 6 remain unchanged and allow a crew to depart again. So in summary: crew 1 -> universe 3 | crew 2 -> universe 4 | crew 3 -> crushed | crew 4 -> crushed | crew 5 -> universe 7 | crew 6 -> universe 8 | crew 7 -> crushed | crew 8 -> crushed | ... It all fits itself together. But according to this logic, there could not be any Nibblonians in universe 1, because there was no universe 0 when they could have been created 17 years before the Big Bang of universe 1. -Kamikaze28 17:18, 30 July 2010 (CEST)
Great explanation! exactly. 72.133.55.59 23:11, 30 July 2010 (CEST)
Note that this means the current universe's Hitler was ALSO killed by Farnsworth2, while Eleanor Roosevelt was killed by Farnsworth1. -- LeandroTLZ 02:30, 31 July 2010 (CEST)
Yeah, Hitler did not die in its current form, I should say. A world without WW2 would have changed many things. --Sviptalk 02:52, 31 July 2010 (CEST)
That's how it has to have happened, though. Expanding on Kamikaze's post above:
  • Universe 1: Original Futurama universe. Hitler and Eleanor die the same as in our universe. Trio1 travel to the Future, Fry1 drops the greeting card, Leela1 leaves the message, etc.
  • Universe 2: Bender1 kills the first fish to walk on land. Farnsworth1 kills Hitler. Trio1 arrives to the present, and instantly jumps to the future again. Trio2 travels to the future, Fry2 drops the greeting card, Leela2 leaves the message, etc.
  • Universe 3: Bender2 kills the first fish to walk on land. Farnsworth2 kills Hitler. Farnsworth1 kills Eleanor. Trio3 is killed by Trio1. Trio2 arrives to the present, and instantly jumps to the future again. This is the current universe in the series.
  • Universe 4: Farnsworth2 kills Eleanor. Trio4 is killed by Trio3.
  • Universe 5: Same as Universe 1.
  • Universe 6: Same as Universe 2.
  • Universe 7: Same as Universe 3.
  • Universe 8: Same as Universe 4.

LeandroTLZ 04:00, 31 July 2010 (CEST)

Another possibility is that when universe n's Farnsworth overshot 3010 and landed in roughly 10,000 their time machine landed at the same timespace co-ordinates as universe n+1's time machine wiping it from existence, resulting in a universe loop size of 3
  • Universe (n%3 == 0): Original Futurama universe. Hitler and Eleanor die the same as in our universe. Trio(n%3 == 0) travel to the Future, Fry(n%3 == 0) drops the greeting card, Leela(n%3 == 0) leaves the message, etc.
  • Universe (n%3 == 1): Bender(n%3 == 0) kills the first fish to walk on land. Farnsworth(n%3 == 0) kills Hitler. Trio(n%3 == 0) arrives to the present, and instantly jumps to the future again where they accidentally erase Trio(n%3 == 1) in 10,000 after Fry(n%3 == 1) drops the greeting card, Leela(n%3 == 1) leaves the message, etc.
  • Universe (n%3 == 2): Farnsworth(n%3 == 0) kills Eleanor. Trio(n%3 == 2) is killed by Trio(n%3 == 0) before departing. This is the current universe in the series.
This model is better for two reasons, the numbering doesn't assume we're the first universe and anyone from universe (n%3 == 1) won't have had significant motivation for killing Hitler, as they'd know he was killed early on. - Quolnok 12:14, 31 July 2010 (CEST)
  1. Universe 3: Bender2 kills the first fish to walk on land. Farnsworth2 kills Hitler. Farnsworth1 kills Eleanor. Trio3 is killed by Trio1. Trio2 arrives to the present, and instantly jumps to the future again. This is the current universe in the series.
  1. Universe 4: Farnsworth2 kills Eleanor. Trio4 is killed by Trio3.

How is this possible? Trio3 is dead because Trio1 killed them, therefore Trio4 still lives. Polantaris 07:30, 4 August 2010 (CEST)

Trio4 will likely be crushed by Trio2 (who survived because Trio1 overshot them).--75.57.209.255 07:29, 10 August 2010 (CEST)

Decapodian Lifespan

I'm not sure if we really knew this already or not, but in the 3030 future, Zoidberg is shown to have aged at the same rate as everyone else, suggesting that his race has a similar lifespan to that of humanity. 173.70.156.252 10:13, 30 July 2010 (CEST)

Perhaps, or it could be that eating from dumpsters and living on the streets caused him to age poorly. - Quolnok 11:26, 30 July 2010 (CEST)

H. G. Wells Time Machine error

The allusion in Question:

  • The year five million, with humanity split into two species, one primitive and one intelligent, is a reference to the future depicted in H.G. Wells' The Time Machine.
    • The main basis for the episode, with a forward only time machine, is based on the story as well.

The Time Machine in said novel did however have the capability to go backwards in time. -Kamikaze28 17:25, 1 August 2010 (CEST)

50 million AD

  • Is it possible that the women who live on Earth are descendents from Amazonians who evolve to become intelligent and beautiful?
  • 50 million AD Earth looks like Planet Amazonia because men are very rare.
  • The professor, Fry and Bender were aware that these women have had the technology to go back in time. So why didn't the stop at this period of time? They could have had sex (except Bender of course) and a way to go back to 3010 without experiencing another big crunch/big bang.Yach 19:55, 1 August 2010 (CEST)Yach
Sounds unlikely, men are more likely simply just rare by this point in history. I don't get why Amazonians would have come by (they are not taller these futuristic women).
They left it because Bender didn't like it. --Sviptalk 21:47, 1 August 2010 (CEST)
I know. But what I meant is that they COULD have stopped when they were in Universe 2.Yach 22:23, 1 August 2010 (CEST)
They could, but wouldn't it just be easier to just bring it around again? You just pull the switch. I am sure Bender would probably have been upset even the second time around. It may also not have occurred to them. It did not occur to me until you brought it up either! You could also ask; why did not travel to the pink ones five years or more earlier and ask for a backwards time machine? Surely that would avoid them being destroyed by the Dumblocks before they could finish it. --Sviptalk 23:04, 1 August 2010 (CEST)

Nibblonians

What does this episode mean for the Nibblonian race? Since they have already been shown to have existed before the (original?) big bang, does this mean they've experienced all the intermittent universes that Fry and Co have? --That Sullen Piñata 14:54, 3 August 2010 (CEST)

I don't think so. They live long but are not immortal. Related to that: why don't we see Planet Eternium beeing created?
Because we are near Earth? --Sviptalk 16:36, 3 August 2010 (CEST)
Of course!!! It all depends whether the universe shrinks before big bang and expenses after.Yach 16:54, 3 August 2010 (CEST)
Since time is infinite, the universe never began where the Nibblonian race was created 17 years before the big bang, because the big bang has always been and always will be happening. Could it be that the Nibblonian race died out in whatever time, then 17 years before the big bang the planet was thus created again? Like Earth did? It would explain why they didn't know of Fry and the fate of their universe without him. 64.229.152.105 00:01, 4 August 2010 (CEST)

Leela as seen from the time machine

Probably not important enough to be on the article itself, but you can see old Leela when Fry loses his card inside the time machine: http://i.imgur.com/TPzWZ.jpg -- LeandroTLZ 04:24, 4 August 2010 (CEST)

I would think this is worthy enough of being in the Trivia section Polantaris 07:20, 4 August 2010 (CEST)

Goof not a Goof

I don't think the following is a Goof:

  • Older Leela is knocked to the floor by a floating birthday card.
   * Osteoporosis often affects older women. 

If anything, it's just there for comedic effect. A goof is something like discolorations, moving objects that shouldn't move, or something along those lines. It's clear that they wanted her to fall over from the card. That's not something you mess up. Polantaris 07:22, 4 August 2010 (CEST)

"Scammers erased the code"

I have erased the addendum "The Scammer Aliens erased the time code (along with the mind control virus) after Bender thought he killed Fry," in the goof about Bender remembering the Time Code. Although they did erase the code as stated, Bender learned the Code again when he went back in time to place the tattoo on Fry's ass. Since there has been no mention of him deleting it a second time (as far as I am aware), it still remains as a legitimate goof. Legionaireb 08:24, 9 August 2010 (CEST)